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RAI: Study guide 1 focuses on Orillos module 1 and three other books
YANEZA: behaviorism- behaviors acquired through interaction with the environment. example ng interaction nya ay ang mga to. imitation or mimicry. and habit information.
CHRISTINE: First, po is definition of language. In general po, what's common is that langauge implies that arbitrary symbols po used in universal communication
APRIL: Okay po. Sa behaviorism po ung performance over competence. After po maexplain ni Maam Nez and Maam Tin ung approaches, giving stand po tau kng anu ung pinaka okay sa approaches
RAI: Language learning is perceived as a process of habit formation that involves trial and error rather than inborn. Kunwari ang isang bata ay nakatira sa isang bahay na maraming gumagamit ng L1 niya, mas matututo siya agad through habits
CHRISTINE: Parang kung alin po mas pinapaniwalaan
APRIL: Agree Sir Rai. Kaya dito din nkainclude si Conditioning ni Pavlov.
RAI: So anong pinak-distinct characteristic ng behaviorist theory?
APRIL: It is NURTURED.
YANEZA: paliwanag ko pa ulit ng malinaw? infant po kase gnamit nla as example. based s pagkakaitndi ko. iniimitate ng infant ang cnasabi ng mommy nya. gumagamit din ng reinforcement ang behaviorism. example."kissing" reward ng baby yun pag nakuha nya yung desire nya. at dun nya maacquire ang learning
RAI: So it's more on extrinsic/external learning kung baga
APRIL: Noted Maam Nez. Let's emphasized the Principle of Reinforcement
CHRISTINE: Noted po. Clearer vision
APRIL: Principle of reinforcement po plays a major role in the process of learning (Stand of Behaviorism)
RAI: Pero ang pinakamalaking kulang sa theory na ito ay ang acknowledgment sa function ng brain in the process.. Di nabigyan ng theorists ng value ang process of the brain in the development of the language kasi giit nila nurtured daw
I feel din kasi na ito ay one-sided theory on the learning of the language...
Ito ba ang theory na "tabula rasa" thingy?
YANEZA: yung reinforcement nya may 2 types. positive and negative. Kung c mommy, paulit ulit na cnasabi kay baby yung word na "Mama". kokopyahin ng bata yun. tapos ang reward ni baby pag nsabi nya ang word na "mama". ay yung kissing. ayun yung positive reinforcment na cnasabi.
CHRISTINE: Opo. Kasi po if mag eexplain pa sya about sa brain process, parang magcocontradict naman po
APRIL: Good point Sir Rai. We should also see the weakness of this approach
YANEZA: There is no specific explanation nman about s brain process dto s theory. Under n yun ng science. Khit mga proponents ndi dim nla magpaliwanag. Lhat ng definition nla s theories, inaassume LNG nla. Based s pagkakaintndi ko po
RAI: Sa innateness theory din kasi nez, the brain is the languag device that manages the process in the development of the language. Ito ang giit ni Noam Chomsky na meron LAD and UG ang bawat isa sa atin.
YANEZA: Yung brain process n yun. Nasa linguistic theory. Ndi nla inexplain kung anung representation ng brain s pag acquire ng language.
RAI: Oh gets ko na nez.. Ang point mo ata is that "ang specific process that are going on in the brain" ang hindi inexplain. Am i right?
YANEZA: Yes sir Rai
RAI: Pero the assertion that language is a fundamental part of the human genome is directly related to brain process..wla lang specific details..ito talagang mga nativists.. Hehe
APRIL: Hahahaha. Ung nga weakpoint nila e. Inassume lng nila ung LAD. And UG.
CHRISTINE: Magkaiba po ba ang LAD sa UG? may nabas po kasi ako na ang UG ay new tawag sa LAD
RAI: Ang tabula rasa pril sa empty slate ang brain ng bata na kmukuha ng information from the environment kaya nurture xa. Ang UG is our universal grammar na innate sa atin that is possible through the LAD.. Device ang LAD tin...
YANEZA: Exactly sir. May kanya kanya clang assumptions s mga definitions nla about behaviorism.
APRIL: LAD is a device a part from our brain.
pero un nga assumption ito. Ito ung Mapping model. Sinosort nya ung noun, verb, adj. So nasa linguistic approach na tau?
YANEZA: Yung topic n to NSA linguistics approach n tayo guys ha.
RAI: Connect to Innateness tayo ha... Ang LAD and UG kasi binase ni Chomsky sa theories of language acquisition niya. If my memory is still correct, he was also attached to mathematics. Tapos meron yan siyang theory that explains na every linguistic pattern of language has a mathematical explanation.
YANEZA: Yes mam. APRIL
RAI: He studied linguistics, mathematics, and philosophy at University of Pennsylvania tapos linguist din asawa niya. Oh diba ang saya ng life nila?
CHRISTINE: Grabe. Language tapos nirelate pa sa math
YANEZA: Mathematical explanation ba Na cnasabi ay may step ang pag acquire ng language?
Wag nyo isali ang math dto. Jusko. Haha
RAI: Siya kasi ang proponent ng transformational generative grammar where he said that language has both deep and surface structures. Para bang merong mathematical principle in the formation of the syntax of a sentence kaya nga raw acceptable ang assertion niya that language is innate
APRIL: Alam ko lng. Stages of language acquisition. Anu po ung transformational generative grammar?
RAI: Transformational grammar is a generative grammar, which dictates that the syntax, or word order, of surface structures adheres to certain principles and paremeters.
YANEZA: Ay gets na kita sir. Walang literal n math . hinalintulad lang sya
APRIL: Metaphor sya kaya my accuracy sa assumption nya. Ok sir Rai. Noted.
RAI: Meron daw kasi limited series of rules expressed in mathematical notation, which transforms deep structures of language (underlying relationships between words and conceptual meaning) into well-formed surface structures (spoken utterances).
CHRISTINE: Nabasa ko yan peo di ko marelate sa kung saan
APRIL: Combination na din to ng SG 2. So far, clear n stin ung BEHAVIORISM and LINGUISTIC APPROACH.
RAI: Yes, combination ng SG 2 pril..pero ito ang parang backbone ng theory ni Chomsky kung bakit acceptable ang assumptions niya on language learning kasi ito daw ay nka-arrange na sa brain natin
APRIL: Yes. I agree. Part ni linguistic c poverty of stimulus e
CHRISTINE: Pwedeng isum up po muna ung behaviorism? Heheh
APRIL: Yes pls. Behaviorism vs Linguistic approach
RAI: Yes pril sa linguistic yan
Poverty of stimulus (POS) is the assertion that natural language grammar is unlearnable given the relatively limited data available to children learning a language, and therefore that this knowledge is supplemented with some sort of innate linguistic capacity.
CHRISTINE: Wait sir. Hahaha. Summary po muna. Haha
RAI: Oooppssss sorry..sa linguistic yan tin
APRIL: My example.ka.b.sa.POS sir rai?
CHRISTINE: Behaviorism focuses on nurture since acquisition is with environment po. Wehre in language acquisition is perceived as a habit formation that involves trial and error. In this theory, reinforcement plays a vital role. However, the theory didnt acknowledge the function of the brain process.
YANEZA: Di ko maintndihan sir Rai. Haha. Paki-explain please. Antok n ata ako jusko
APRIL: Korek, Maam Tin. Inote.ko yan
YANEZA: Gets kita tin. Yung POS ang di ko magets. Haha
CHRISTINE: Nasa linguistic pa rin po ba tayo? Hahah
RAI: Yes closed na ang behaviorist.. Lingustic/innate pa tayo. Need niyo ba example ng POS bago natin isummarize ang linguistic theory?
RAI: Si chomsky kasi is someone who used Plato's problem as a parallel idea of the innateness theory.
Chomsky coined POS theory in 1980 but it is directly linked to another approach niya called the "Plato's problem".
RAI: Assertion niya kasi is that meron daw physiological component ang brain that develops in children, and thus, they are able to acquire a language. Itong concept ng Plato's problem is connected to "Meno," which is a Socratic dialogue. Si Socrates kasi before nkaobserve na ang isang servant niya merong mathematical knowledge about geometry even if he was not explicitly taught about it. Doon kinuha ni Socrates ang concept na even if stimulus is not enough, merong innate language capacity to learn.
APRIL: Sa pagkakaintndi ko sa Poverty of stimulus, ito ung logical argument na magsusupport sa innateness theory at magcocontradict sa.empiricist. This believes that environment gives very limited info for.a.child.to learn a language, ang ending. Sa innate ability pa din sya dedepende
CHRISTINE: Sonparang pinagtagni tagni lang nila sir? Tama po?
RAI: Sabi din na Socrates discovered people's innate ability to fully understand foreign concepts that they were never exposed to. So pinakita ni Chomsky sa theory niya that children are not exposed to all structures of language pero nakaka-achieve pa rin sila ng necessary linguistic knowledge at an earlier age
YANEZA: Mam. APRIL. Ayun Kay Google. Pareho tayo ng pagkakaintndi s POS. Bnasa ko LNG ngayun
RAI: There are patterns in all natural languages that cannot be learned by a child using positive evidence (observing speech of others like the right way). Kapag mali ang bata tapos icocorrect yan, that is negative evidence (knowledge of what is not grammatical).
APRIL: Twice kasi namention sa different readings.natin.
In addition sa sinabi ni Sir.rai, positive.and.negative evidence ang.magcocope up sa limited.data.na binabanggit.ni POS
Poverty of Stimulus is Impoverished (weak) input
RAI: In conclusion, human beings must have some form of innate linguistic capacity that provides additional knowledge to language. POS explains how native speakers form a capacity to identify possible interpretations gamit ang ordinary experience.
RAI: Kasi ang theorists tin, they use other theories proposed by previous authors kasi it's a product of the recommendation part of certain studies. In this case, Chomsky is a philosopher din kasi so he used Socrates's Socratic Dialogue as basis for his assertion.
*his assertion on POS and innateness of languag learning
APRIL: Point taken Sir Rai. Un ang reference ni Chomsky.
RAI: Korek ka pril na both positive and negative evidences ang mag-aaccommodate sa kulang
APRIL: Kaya nga ang dami daming theorists e.
RAI: Study guide 1 focuses on Orillos module 1 and three other books
YANEZA: behaviorism- behaviors acquired through interaction with the environment. example ng interaction nya ay ang mga to. imitation or mimicry. and habit information.
CHRISTINE: First, po is definition of language. In general po, what's common is that langauge implies that arbitrary symbols po used in universal communication
APRIL: Okay po. Sa behaviorism po ung performance over competence. After po maexplain ni Maam Nez and Maam Tin ung approaches, giving stand po tau kng anu ung pinaka okay sa approaches
RAI: Language learning is perceived as a process of habit formation that involves trial and error rather than inborn. Kunwari ang isang bata ay nakatira sa isang bahay na maraming gumagamit ng L1 niya, mas matututo siya agad through habits
CHRISTINE: Parang kung alin po mas pinapaniwalaan
APRIL: Agree Sir Rai. Kaya dito din nkainclude si Conditioning ni Pavlov.
RAI: So anong pinak-distinct characteristic ng behaviorist theory?
APRIL: It is NURTURED.
YANEZA: paliwanag ko pa ulit ng malinaw? infant po kase gnamit nla as example. based s pagkakaitndi ko. iniimitate ng infant ang cnasabi ng mommy nya. gumagamit din ng reinforcement ang behaviorism. example."kissing" reward ng baby yun pag nakuha nya yung desire nya. at dun nya maacquire ang learning
RAI: So it's more on extrinsic/external learning kung baga
APRIL: Noted Maam Nez. Let's emphasized the Principle of Reinforcement
CHRISTINE: Noted po. Clearer vision
APRIL: Principle of reinforcement po plays a major role in the process of learning (Stand of Behaviorism)
RAI: Pero ang pinakamalaking kulang sa theory na ito ay ang acknowledgment sa function ng brain in the process.. Di nabigyan ng theorists ng value ang process of the brain in the development of the language kasi giit nila nurtured daw
I feel din kasi na ito ay one-sided theory on the learning of the language...
Ito ba ang theory na "tabula rasa" thingy?
YANEZA: yung reinforcement nya may 2 types. positive and negative. Kung c mommy, paulit ulit na cnasabi kay baby yung word na "Mama". kokopyahin ng bata yun. tapos ang reward ni baby pag nsabi nya ang word na "mama". ay yung kissing. ayun yung positive reinforcment na cnasabi.
CHRISTINE: Opo. Kasi po if mag eexplain pa sya about sa brain process, parang magcocontradict naman po
APRIL: Good point Sir Rai. We should also see the weakness of this approach
YANEZA: There is no specific explanation nman about s brain process dto s theory. Under n yun ng science. Khit mga proponents ndi dim nla magpaliwanag. Lhat ng definition nla s theories, inaassume LNG nla. Based s pagkakaintndi ko po
RAI: Sa innateness theory din kasi nez, the brain is the languag device that manages the process in the development of the language. Ito ang giit ni Noam Chomsky na meron LAD and UG ang bawat isa sa atin.
YANEZA: Yung brain process n yun. Nasa linguistic theory. Ndi nla inexplain kung anung representation ng brain s pag acquire ng language.
RAI: Oh gets ko na nez.. Ang point mo ata is that "ang specific process that are going on in the brain" ang hindi inexplain. Am i right?
YANEZA: Yes sir Rai
RAI: Pero the assertion that language is a fundamental part of the human genome is directly related to brain process..wla lang specific details..ito talagang mga nativists.. Hehe
APRIL: Hahahaha. Ung nga weakpoint nila e. Inassume lng nila ung LAD. And UG.
CHRISTINE: Magkaiba po ba ang LAD sa UG? may nabas po kasi ako na ang UG ay new tawag sa LAD
RAI: Ang tabula rasa pril sa empty slate ang brain ng bata na kmukuha ng information from the environment kaya nurture xa. Ang UG is our universal grammar na innate sa atin that is possible through the LAD.. Device ang LAD tin...
YANEZA: Exactly sir. May kanya kanya clang assumptions s mga definitions nla about behaviorism.
APRIL: LAD is a device a part from our brain.
pero un nga assumption ito. Ito ung Mapping model. Sinosort nya ung noun, verb, adj. So nasa linguistic approach na tau?YANEZA: Yung topic n to NSA linguistics approach n tayo guys ha.
RAI: Connect to Innateness tayo ha... Ang LAD and UG kasi binase ni Chomsky sa theories of language acquisition niya. If my memory is still correct, he was also attached to mathematics. Tapos meron yan siyang theory that explains na every linguistic pattern of language has a mathematical explanation.
YANEZA: Yes mam. APRIL
RAI: He studied linguistics, mathematics, and philosophy at University of Pennsylvania tapos linguist din asawa niya. Oh diba ang saya ng life nila?
CHRISTINE: Grabe. Language tapos nirelate pa sa math
YANEZA: Mathematical explanation ba Na cnasabi ay may step ang pag acquire ng language?
Wag nyo isali ang math dto. Jusko. Haha
RAI: Siya kasi ang proponent ng transformational generative grammar where he said that language has both deep and surface structures. Para bang merong mathematical principle in the formation of the syntax of a sentence kaya nga raw acceptable ang assertion niya that language is innate
APRIL: Alam ko lng. Stages of language acquisition. Anu po ung transformational generative grammar?
RAI: Transformational grammar is a generative grammar, which dictates that the syntax, or word order, of surface structures adheres to certain principles and paremeters.
YANEZA: Ay gets na kita sir. Walang literal n math . hinalintulad lang sya
APRIL: Metaphor sya kaya my accuracy sa assumption nya. Ok sir Rai. Noted.
RAI: Meron daw kasi limited series of rules expressed in mathematical notation, which transforms deep structures of language (underlying relationships between words and conceptual meaning) into well-formed surface structures (spoken utterances).
CHRISTINE: Nabasa ko yan peo di ko marelate sa kung saan
APRIL: Combination na din to ng SG 2. So far, clear n stin ung BEHAVIORISM and LINGUISTIC APPROACH.
RAI: Yes, combination ng SG 2 pril..pero ito ang parang backbone ng theory ni Chomsky kung bakit acceptable ang assumptions niya on language learning kasi ito daw ay nka-arrange na sa brain natin
APRIL: Yes. I agree. Part ni linguistic c poverty of stimulus e
CHRISTINE: Pwedeng isum up po muna ung behaviorism? Heheh
APRIL: Yes pls. Behaviorism vs Linguistic approach
RAI: Yes pril sa linguistic yan
Poverty of stimulus (POS) is the assertion that natural language grammar is unlearnable given the relatively limited data available to children learning a language, and therefore that this knowledge is supplemented with some sort of innate linguistic capacity.
CHRISTINE: Wait sir. Hahaha. Summary po muna. Haha
RAI: Oooppssss sorry..sa linguistic yan tin
APRIL: My example.ka.b.sa.POS sir rai?
CHRISTINE: Behaviorism focuses on nurture since acquisition is with environment po. Wehre in language acquisition is perceived as a habit formation that involves trial and error. In this theory, reinforcement plays a vital role. However, the theory didnt acknowledge the function of the brain process.
YANEZA: Di ko maintndihan sir Rai. Haha. Paki-explain please. Antok n ata ako jusko
APRIL: Korek, Maam Tin. Inote.ko yan
YANEZA: Gets kita tin. Yung POS ang di ko magets. Haha
CHRISTINE: Nasa linguistic pa rin po ba tayo? Hahah
RAI: Yes closed na ang behaviorist.. Lingustic/innate pa tayo. Need niyo ba example ng POS bago natin isummarize ang linguistic theory?
RAI: Si chomsky kasi is someone who used Plato's problem as a parallel idea of the innateness theory.
Chomsky coined POS theory in 1980 but it is directly linked to another approach niya called the "Plato's problem".
RAI: Assertion niya kasi is that meron daw physiological component ang brain that develops in children, and thus, they are able to acquire a language. Itong concept ng Plato's problem is connected to "Meno," which is a Socratic dialogue. Si Socrates kasi before nkaobserve na ang isang servant niya merong mathematical knowledge about geometry even if he was not explicitly taught about it. Doon kinuha ni Socrates ang concept na even if stimulus is not enough, merong innate language capacity to learn.
APRIL: Sa pagkakaintndi ko sa Poverty of stimulus, ito ung logical argument na magsusupport sa innateness theory at magcocontradict sa.empiricist. This believes that environment gives very limited info for.a.child.to learn a language, ang ending. Sa innate ability pa din sya dedepende
CHRISTINE: Sonparang pinagtagni tagni lang nila sir? Tama po?
RAI: Sabi din na Socrates discovered people's innate ability to fully understand foreign concepts that they were never exposed to. So pinakita ni Chomsky sa theory niya that children are not exposed to all structures of language pero nakaka-achieve pa rin sila ng necessary linguistic knowledge at an earlier age
YANEZA: Mam. APRIL. Ayun Kay Google. Pareho tayo ng pagkakaintndi s POS. Bnasa ko LNG ngayun
RAI: There are patterns in all natural languages that cannot be learned by a child using positive evidence (observing speech of others like the right way). Kapag mali ang bata tapos icocorrect yan, that is negative evidence (knowledge of what is not grammatical).
APRIL: Twice kasi namention sa different readings.natin.
In addition sa sinabi ni Sir.rai, positive.and.negative evidence ang.magcocope up sa limited.data.na binabanggit.ni POS
Poverty of Stimulus is Impoverished (weak) input
RAI: In conclusion, human beings must have some form of innate linguistic capacity that provides additional knowledge to language. POS explains how native speakers form a capacity to identify possible interpretations gamit ang ordinary experience.
RAI: Kasi ang theorists tin, they use other theories proposed by previous authors kasi it's a product of the recommendation part of certain studies. In this case, Chomsky is a philosopher din kasi so he used Socrates's Socratic Dialogue as basis for his assertion.
*his assertion on POS and innateness of languag learning
APRIL: Point taken Sir Rai. Un ang reference ni Chomsky.
RAI: Korek ka pril na both positive and negative evidences ang mag-aaccommodate sa kulang
APRIL: Kaya nga ang dami daming theorists e.
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